Tempted to think this is a CODE alt

Is there an effective counter to the freighter bumping gate gank? Even with a webbing associate, won't the bump prevent a warp?

Is the MWD+warp trick sufficient to get an Orca away from the bump?

Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation? It didn't matter if his tank was maxed out or not. 18 catalysts and a talos is at least 323k damage. If they pre-positioned concord away from the bump area then it's more like 387k damage. A max tanked charon with all V skills only has about 307k ehp. That means regardless of tank that charon was going to die.

Tank isn't going to save you from anything other then maybe gank newbies. A good tank could dissuade some of the smaller ganker groups too but with hyperdunking being allowed it's unlikely. The people involved with this gank though are NOT gank newbies.

because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.

The best part is when it starts to get scary and hard you can just press Esc and run away, funnily enough it's the same tactic I use when I'm sorting out my finances online.

know what's worse than bringing too much dps to a freighter gank?
not ganking a freighter as it slides off in 2% hull because some one got bumped out of the way on the warp in and missed one of their shots, or some one was half asleep and didn't realise that their guns hadn't turned on even though they mashed f1 with the power of a thousand suns etc.

overkill, best kill.

also yeah, burn amarr, gank everything.
my point about tank still stands.

Clearly they didn't even bother to scan the tank of the victim as they brought enough to kill a fully tanked Obelisk which has far more ehp then a fully tanked charon. Had they scanned the tank they would of saved isk by not bringing the talos(70-80m fitted) and if they really wanted to skimp some of the catas (7-8m fitted). One talos is easily the cost of 10 catas. Instead they brought enough damage to take out the highest ehp freighter you can get).

In this case the one shot first is the first one they bump.



That much was blindingly obvious. You brought enough damage to destroy even a max tanked obelisk. :P

This is a difficult one, on the one hand I see where you're coming from and I appreciate what you've said, on the other however I disagree people ganged up on to help sway my viewpoint.

Initially I was annoyed, perhaps mostly at my own stupidity but also for the fact I felt the whole bumping me of course felt unfair which I've discussed in another post.

The general consensus however from most people on here was pretty much learn from it, move on and also don't cry on the forums. Some posts were harsher than others but still, the same message was there and the vast majority of people I agreed with. If I didn't agree with what was said I would have cancelled, uninstalled and moved on by now.

Regarding CODE however, unfortunately they've decided to war dec our 3 man corp which may render the game pretty much unplayable for us (or at the the way we want to play it) until that's over. Still, we all have a backlog of other games to catch up on!

I am phone posting so I can't check but how many people have declared war on the OP? If none I'll get on correcting that later.

Edit: actually read the thread now. Fun story CODE. are actually extremely bad at wars, with a little effort you can probably get kills on them.

Don't hate yourself, it's just your stupid talking.
Then again, you won't be in CODE if you didn't listen to your stupid 7/24.

Catalyst is essentially a free ship. If you prefer to bling it, it's your own problem, and doesn't mean it's not free.
You knew perfectly what I were talking about and still make me say it for you, it seems I'm getting dragged all the way down to CODE level...

Amen. I am absolutely horrid at wars but they are ALWAYS fought on my terms and not someone else's... and that's what makes me good at PvP.

Haha how is this still going.

So, out of curiosity, when does this thread officially turn into a threadnought?

*alarms sound in the Teg cave*

On a serious note, since the OP has been pretty amusing I'm surprised you guys decked him? Tempted to join as an ally on my scrub alt corp and die hilariously, and the rest of GD might consider it. Bloody roleplayers :P

My OOC alt zips right by the CODE. guys in Uedama in his viator and there is not a damn thing they can do.

Goons were always fairly media savvy, Helicity was too, but they're weren't as pushy with their propaganda as the New Order.

Bumping has its origins outside of highsec, but has proven to be effective in allowing gankers to hold stuff in place long enough to gather the forces required to kill it. There are counters to it, but because they require the expenditure of effort and manpower, as well as some practice, most people forswear them as viable counters; all the while ignoring that gankers generally have to expend effort and manpower, as well as be well practiced to carry out their activities.

The prolific posting of killmails in local, the entertaining and steeped in RP minerbumping site, the self congratulating threads started by gankers and the tear filled ones started by their victims all add to the illusion that ganking is now far more prevalent than it used to be.

Much like the news in the real world makes events appear to be more common than they actually are.

I notice that since the end of can flipping, awox safari and hulkageddon there's been a increase of this freighter bumping thing, at least, I don't recall hearing about it so often. (All those were far easier to counter or "fight back" against than bumping, just sayin)

They will never get this. They prefer to think of everyone who counsels self sufficiency, creativity and personal responsibility as "just gankers who want to gank people". I don't gank or bump people, if we're being totally honest here, I find the idea of me doing such things distasteful (same with scamming). I'm the guy who accidentally got traded a Machariel in Jita and traded it back without question lol (the guy was so impressed he game me 100 mil as a reward later, didn't even ask for it).

But while I'd personally find some in game actions to be 'not my cup of tea', those things are allowed by the rules, and EVE's somewhat 'looser than the average MMO' rule set is one of the things that make it a great game.

Truly self interested "carebears" and the social justice nannys that enable them do not and can not understand the above concepts at all. IMO they are worse than the gankers/bumpers they complain about.

Yes, and of course it's entirely unthinkable that a large corporation like Red Frog may have a free pass with many of the high-sec ganking groups (or at least some of the larger ones). One could also argue that a larger corporation like Red Frog can absorb considerably more losses at the hands of gankers. Then we're back to the root issue of why thousand-player corporations are able to prey indiscriminately in high-sec. Because it's lucrative, and there's effectively no recourse.

1st of all thank you.

And it's ironic that the people who complain the most about ganker types are also the ones who claim to be inclusive types that want "more people to play EVE" while at the same time secretly wishing that people of certain play styes leave..

I think you and I understand that REAL inclusiveness involves including people who are not like us at all (which is fine as long as they play within the rules).

I think the reasoning is "you're all ebil gankers, therefore Admiral Ackbar"

All the back patting broguht a tear to my eye. Also, while some 'carebear' types might secretly wish that people of certain playstyle leave, people of certain playstyles wish for that openly when certain 'carebear' types are concered. So you could argue you can find people bad for the game on both sides. .

At least some things in ganking will require a bit more work with fleet warp changes which is a change in the right direction.

Why I don't (usually) respond to CODE - well, I find it utterly hypocritical when folks from CODE, who are all about 'no-afk', 'no-risk-aversion' etc. do exactly that - afk and behave risk aversly. I made a thread about proposed fleet-hanger changes which would flag both the looter and the DST and naturally all the code members that posted were against the change (due to grr gank-nerfs). Also, more then once, I've witnessed goons and code members going afk while hauling, safe in the knowledge that majority of folks interested in large hisec ganks are already their members. At least if you RP, be consistent in it, otherwise you only come across as jerks using some RP cover to feed your little egos (note that "you" here was not referring to you personally, rather it was a collective noun).

Get a single fast frigate out to 151km in front of the bumped freighter and warp the freighter away. Works 99.9% of the time.

So - if a proposal, however well explained, goes against your kind of gameplay, you'll just troll me to death? What about that adapt or die thingie?

Anyway, of course they were meant to nerf ability of gankers to loot in complete safety - hence making it more dangerous (not more difficult) as such ability is absolutely counter-intuitive to all the crimewatch mechanics.There was no hiding the fact by me anywhere in the thread, but I also provided the reasoning for my proposals (if you don't want to read it, don't, can't help you). DST mechanics are allowing for extremely safe loot extraction which is absolutely contrary to the 'risk' nature of EVE your guys are often citing - well, at least as long as it helps you sustain your game play.

I have no issue with people who want to PvE. I PvE at times as well. I'd guess many, many PvP oriented players PvE as well, it just isn't our focus/main draw to this game.

So I don't think the issue is on the PvP side.

I am still following this thread, I've just not posted anything because I didn't feel I had anything of value to add to the recent discussion of the past few pages.

It's been insightful reading and getting into someone else's viewpoint and play-style of the same game and over the past 22 pages (and yes, I did read everything!) I've learnt more than I have since my entire time on EVE.
I've had a few people PM me with addition support and offers which I'm very grateful for. Hell, even my feelings from the random rage troll posts mid way through the tread went from exasperation to amusement in the end.

Personally I feel this thread has come to a natural close but I'd also like to thank everyone one last time who has contributed and offered their support and guidance.

I have a Rifter now with a wicked fit I found on Battleclinic and I'm not afraid to use it if I knew how.

See you on the other side.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul

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